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Nov 26 12 5:19 AM

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So out of curiosity I'm just wondering what exactly is going on with all these K-Pop acts not being invited to many of the Japanese year-end shows this year? I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the decision but I just find it to be a bit odd that even TVXQ for example is no longer invited to Kouhaku. 
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#2 post_url

Nov 26 12 5:48 AM

they're not popular anymore (still have a solid fanbase though)

not sure if there is political issue , as i think japan and korea's relationship is always like that

#3 post_url

Nov 26 12 8:21 AM

Only on year-end shows so far, but except for Music Station these days (which didn't even invite KARA or SJJD to promote their albums), every other weekly music shows in every other channel still invite Kpop. Though I don't know yet if the non-existence of Kpop on year-end shows is a start of something.

#4 post_url

Nov 26 12 9:27 AM

Imaginary official statement from xx agency as below:-

After spending so much time in Japan last year, we would like to spend the time with our fans in Korea this year. So even though we were invited to perform, our company has to decline invitation because we wanted to join the rest of our colleagues in showing a united front during this festive season.

Personally, I don't think there's a ban or an unofficial rule. But perhaps, they're just... don't bring anything new anymore. Ratings remains stagnant and no matter how cute you are, looking awkward makes everyone else uncomfortable.

#6 post_url

Nov 26 12 11:44 PM

It's not that the fad is over or that they aren't popular anymore, territorial disputes over the Liancourt Rocks are to blame. Tensions were especially high after Lee Myungbak made a high-profile visit to the Liancourt Rocks and Hallyu Stars claiming that they belong to Korea. On the flip side of things, KARA received some heat in Korea for not taking a stance on the issue when they were asked about it.

http://www.allkpop.com/2012/11/kohaku-uta-gassen-to-not-feature-any-korean-artists-this-year

#7 post_url

Nov 27 12 4:28 AM

^ Oh. allkpop. Hmm...


Honestly, if the territorial dispute is the real reason, then it doesn't make sense that they still get invited to every other weekly music shows (except Music Station). No, there must be something else besides that.

#8 post_url

Nov 27 12 5:03 AM

because annual shows are more watched compared to weekly shows? i think this is a compromise on both sides. after all, they still need to make a living, right?

#9 post_url

Nov 27 12 5:07 AM

The ones getting threathened are the Kpop talents themselves I assume. It's a subtle way to tell where their stance truly are. Even if you are not banned in Japan, you got to stand behind your nation and show it by being absent where it mattered the most.

#10 post_url

Nov 27 12 8:12 AM

whitedove wrote:
^ Oh. allkpop. Hmm...

Honestly, if the territorial dispute is the real reason, then it doesn't make sense that they still get invited to every other weekly music shows (except Music Station). No, there must be something else besides that.
What do you think could be the reason then? Music Station is well known to be pretty biased, so that's understandable. For example, they didn't allow non-Johnny's boy bands to appear on the show for a long time, AKB48 appearing almost every week, etc.

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#11 post_url

Nov 27 12 12:56 PM

^ Regarding Music Station, I'm not talking about those non-relevant Kpop acts. I'm talking about how KARA and SNSD didn't even get invited to the show to promote their albums when they have been doing it so many times in the past. Also, while Music Station can be pretty biased, there are still a lot of criteria to be filled, like need to be in the top 5 Oricon weekly, or if not then be a big digital-seller, or if not, get big agencies to push them like Johnnys and Avex (like how they did with 2NE1 and Fairies).

When I said besides that, I'm also thinking that Kpop hype is declining and the big 3 Kpop groups in Japan aren't doing that well this year either.

#13 post_url

Nov 27 12 1:42 PM

Well Korea has it's own year-end shows, I would assume, you know, Korean artists would want to do those more

#14 post_url

Nov 27 12 7:33 PM

http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/nhk-denies-not-inviting-korean-acts-to-kohaku-due-to-territorial-dispute



Korean girl groups KARA and Girls’ Generation and male group Tohoshinki (TVXQ) were among the headline acts last year on “Kohaku Uta Gassen” (Red and White Song Contest).

Viewers are drawn from a wide cross-section of society on an evening when Japanese families traditionally gather at home, often around a television set.

NHK officials told a press conference that Korean performers were dropped after reviewing how popular they were over 2012, and after looking at support for them among Japanese fans.

#15 post_url

Nov 28 12 12:53 AM

^
So basically what BabyH said

They aint popular anymore except their dedicated committed fan base that are seemingly not among the Japanese.
Got it.




Not to turn this as another Kpop vs. Jpop thread 2.0 so let me add
I feel the topic sorta steers that way but it's more a question to whats going on in the Japanese Music industry and perhaps the reactions toward recent events.

SO.
IF K-POP was continuing to be as popular it was a year or whatever ago, would they have been treated the same??
I'd say yeah. But in this case they aren't so it shows a general disinterest for their cultural integration in general I guess.


Thoughts? Or food for thought?

#16 post_url

Nov 28 12 1:44 AM

^I'd say they probably will still be invited to shows and get airtime but that would be in a ideal world where there's no dispute over islands and borders. I do think the decrease of Kpop popularity in Japan coincides with the tension between these two nations. By default, they just have to keep a low profile while things are still brewing over or else they will be in danger of backlash.
Cultural integration really is just a small point of interest imo but it helps in long term.

#17 post_url

Nov 28 12 7:57 AM

Miichan48 wrote:
^
So basically what BabyH said

They aint popular anymore except their dedicated committed fan base that are seemingly not among the Japanese.
Got it.




Not to turn this as another Kpop vs. Jpop thread 2.0 so let me add
I feel the topic sorta steers that way but it's more a question to whats going on in the Japanese Music industry and perhaps the reactions toward recent events.

SO.
IF K-POP was continuing to be as popular it was a year or whatever ago, would they have been treated the same??
I'd say yeah. But in this case they aren't so it shows a general disinterest for their cultural integration in general I guess.


Thoughts? Or food for thought?
Just because NHK made an official statement regarding the matter, it does not necessarily mean it's true. Corporations lie all the time about controversial decisions they've made. If people don't think territorial disputes have some role in this, you would have to be pretty misinformed. I'm sure other factors are involved, as well, but the tensions between the two countries is definitely high up there. 

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#18 post_url

Nov 28 12 9:38 AM

umm, if Takeshima played a role, it wasn't that it made the government angry and therefore want to ban K-Pop. let's be realistic here. it probably has negatively influenced popular opinion on K-Pop and the Korean Wave, and therefore has made K-Pop's popularity decrease, which made NHK not feel so inclined to include acts like KARA and SJJD (who are flops this year) and THSK (who are irrelevant).

#19 post_url

Nov 28 12 1:07 PM

Tohoshinki sold quite a lot (>100k) for each of their two 2012 singles, and of all the kpop people who are charting in Japan, based on their sales, charting positions, longevity, consistency in sales and recognizability, Tohoshinki is very much guranteed their spot at the year end shows. i don't mind Tohoshinki to be honest, and while not stanning for Tohoshinki, i do respect them. and at least as far as i remember, they sang two respective Japanese songs in the year-end during the song's respective release year (one being that Doushite song) and not just a Japanese version of their KPOP songs.

#20 post_url

Nov 29 12 2:21 AM

^ However, since coming back as 2 people, Tohoshinki have become more of a Kpop group than the Jpop group they used to be known as. That's probably part of the problem.

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